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Kingdom of God vs Religion

Kingdom of God vs Religion: What’s the Difference (and Why It Matters for Your Life)

Posted on December 31, 2025December 30, 2025 by Jamie London-Clay
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Kingdom of God vs Religion

Kingdom of God vs Religion: A Comprehensive Guide

Two concepts recur throughout the faith journey: the Kingdom of God and religion. People use them interchangeably—yet they don’t function the same, and they don’t produce the same fruit in a human life.

If you’ve ever felt like:

  • You love God but don’t trust religious systems
  • You want truth without control
  • You’re hungry for Jesus but exhausted by performance
  • You’re tired of rituals that don’t produce wholeness

…this guide is for you.

Why is this conversation louder right now?

America’s religious landscape has shifted—fast. Pew Research’s latest Religious Landscape Study (fielded in 2023–2024) reports that 62% of U.S. adults identify as Christian, while 29% are religiously unaffiliated.

Pew also notes that in the early 1990s, about 90% of U.S. adults identified as Christian—so the change is real, even if the decline has slowed/leveled in recent years.

However, Pew finds that younger cohorts’ affiliation has slowed its decline, contributing to overall stabilization.

That doesn’t automatically mean people are “running from God.”
Often, it means they’re running from harm, hypocrisy, unaccountable power, and spiritual environments that don’t feel safe.

And it raises a serious question:

Did Jesus come to build a religion… or to announce a Kingdom?


What you’ll learn in this guide

In this article, we’re going to:

  • Define religion vs Kingdom in plain language
  • clarify what Jesus meant by the “Kingdom of God.”
  • explain “repentance” as reorientation, not shame
  • show how Kingdom living impacts real human life (mind, body, relationships, money, purpose, society)
  • Give you a grounded way to apply this without spiraling into cynicism or confusion in your spiritual journey.

If You’ve Never Been “Religious”… But You Feel Something Pulling You

Before we discuss Kingdom vs. religion, I want to make room for you.

Because some of you aren’t “leaving the church.”
You were never in it.

Some of you don’t know if you’re in a relationship with God at all.
You don’t know what “saved” means beyond what you’ve heard people argue about.
You don’t know how to pray.
You don’t know where to start.

And yet… something in you is waking up.

That pull you feel? That hunger? That curiosity?
That’s not random. That’s an invitation.

God is not waiting for you to become polished before He welcomes you.
He’s not asking you to learn religious language first.
He’s not demanding you fix yourself.

He’s simply calling you into a relationship—through Jesus, by the Holy Spirit, with love.


What relationship with God actually means (in plain words)

Relationship with God isn’t a ritual.
It’s a connection.

It’s being able to say:

  • “God, I’m here.”
  • “I want to know you.”
  • “I need help.”
  • “Lead me.”
  • “Heal me.”
  • “Teach me what’s true.”

And the center of that relationship is Jesus—not as a brand, not as a debate topic, but as the living doorway into God’s heart.


A simple invitation you can pray right now

If you want to begin, you can pray this out loud or silently. No performance—just honesty:

“God, I want You.
I don’t have all the words, but I’m opening my heart.
Jesus, I receive You—teach me who You are.
Forgive me, heal me, and lead me into truth.
Holy Spirit, awaken me.
Help me hear You, know You, and walk with You.
Make me whole.
In Jesus name, Amen.”


Quick teaching moment (Why “in Jesus’ name”):
I end this prayer in Jesus’ name on purpose. Jesus is the way God gave us to come to Him—clean, covered, and with real access. So this isn’t a magic phrase or religious punctuation. Scripture teaches that we come to the Father through Jesus. It’s authority and alignment: I’m coming to the Father through Jesus—by His finished work, not my performance—and I’m asking in a way that agrees with His nature and God’s will.


What happens next (so you don’t overthink it)

Sometimes people expect fireworks. Sometimes it’s quieter than that.

Here are signs you may notice:

  • increased desire for truth
  • conviction that feels clean (not shameful)
  • a stronger pull toward peace, integrity, and healing
  • a new sensitivity to what’s harmful
  • a feeling of being “drawn” toward God in small moments

That’s the Spirit beginning to lead you.

And here’s the reassurance:
If you meant that prayer, you don’t have to panic about doing it perfectly.
Relationships grow the way all relationships grow—through time, consistency, and trust.


If you’re brand new, do this for the next 7 days

Keep it simple:

  1. Say one honest sentence to God daily: “Lead me today.”
  2. Read one short passage from the book of John (or one Psalm if you’re overwhelmed).
  3. Ask: “Holy Spirit, what do You want me to know?”
  4. Pay attention to peace—not pressure.

Then keep reading this guide—because what you’re learning next will help you build faith without being trapped inside religion.

Now let’s talk about the difference between religion and the Kingdom of God.


Religion often focuses on systems, rules, identity labels, and external compliance.
The Kingdom of God is about God’s reign—within you and among you—shaping how you live, love, heal, lead, build, and become whole.


A personal note before we go deeper

I’m not writing this as an anti-church rant.
I was raised in church. I know the beauty of community, worship, and shared faith.

But I also know the moment when your spirit starts asking:
“Is this it?”
“Why does this feel more like structure than transformation?”
“Why do we have so much religion—and so little wholeness?”

That’s where this journey begins.


DEFINITIONS + WHAT JESUS MEANT BY “KINGDOM.”

First, let’s define the terms without demonizing anyone.

When people say “I’m done with religion,” they’re often not rejecting God.
They’re rejecting a version of faith that felt like control, performance, or spiritual bureaucracy.

And to be fair, religion can be practiced in ways that are beautiful and life-giving.
But it can also be practiced in ways that are institutional, image-driven, and unsafe.

So let’s separate the concepts cleanly.


What is “Religion” (in real-life terms)?

Religion is the human system built around belief.

It usually includes:

  • traditions and rituals
  • leadership structures and institutions
  • membership identity (“I am ___”)
  • doctrines, rules, and interpretations
  • sacred spaces, schedules, and community norms

Religion is not automatically evil.
It’s simply a structure.

And structures can either:

  • support human flourishing
    or
  • protect power and punish honest people.

That’s why two people can attend “church” and have radically different experiences.
One finds healing. Another finds harm.


What is the “Kingdom of God”?

The Kingdom of God is not “a denomination.”
It is not “a building.”
It’s not even primarily “a vibe.”

At its core, the Kingdom of God is God’s reign—God’s rule—God’s authority in action.
It’s the spiritual realm where God reigns as King and the lived reality of God’s will being done on earth. Encyclopedia Britannica

Britannica explains that the concept has multiple dimensions:

  • Present reality: The Kingdom is understood as already present in the ministry and message of Jesus—manifest wherever God’s will is done.
  • Future fulfillment: It also refers to a future, eschatological reign, when God’s rule will be fully realized at the end of time.
  • Spiritual and ethical meaning: The Kingdom involves personal transformation, repentance, justice, love of neighbor, and obedience to God.
  • Communal aspect: It is expressed through the community of believers, though it is not identical with the institutional Church.

Britannica notes that interpretations of the Kingdom of God vary among Christian traditions:

  • Some emphasize an apocalyptic future kingdom.
  • Others stress a spiritual or moral reign in the present.
  • Many contemporary theologians adopt an “already but not yet” understanding, combining both present and future elements.

The term draws on Jewish apocalyptic expectations of God’s kingship and was reinterpreted by Jesus as central to his proclamation of salvation.

So Kingdom is less about where you go on Sunday
and more about who rules your life Monday through Saturday.

Kingdom shows up as:

  • truth that frees you
  • love that heals you
  • justice that protects the vulnerable
  • integrity that costs you comfort
  • power that serves—not dominates
  • wholeness that touches mind, body, spirit, emotions, and relationships

This is why Jesus spoke constantly about the Kingdom.
Because He wasn’t recruiting people into religious performance, He was announcing a new reality of God’s government.


Kingdom vs Religion (quick comparison you can feel)

Religion often focuses on:

  • external compliance
  • belonging through conformity
  • protecting tradition
  • “looking holy”
  • Authority that flows top-down

Kingdom focuses on:

  • internal transformation that produces external fruit
  • belonging through sonship/daughterhood
  • truth + love together
  • becoming whole
  • Authority that looks like servanthood

Important clarity: “Is the Kingdom within you or among you?”

This matters because many people were taught inaccurate information here—often unintentionally.

In Luke 17:21, English translations differ:

  • Some render it “within you.”
  • Others render it “among you / in your midst” Bible Gateway

Scholars note the Greek term can be understood in more than one way, and context matters—especially since Jesus is speaking to Pharisees in that moment. Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange

Here’s the grounded takeaway:

  • The Kingdom is not a visible political takeover you can point at like, “There it is.”
  • The Kingdom is also not merely a private, internal mindset.
  • The Kingdom is present wherever the King is present, and Jesus is saying: you’re looking for it “out there,” but it’s already here—right in your midst.

So yes—God transforms from the inside out.
But the Kingdom is bigger than inner experience.
It’s God’s reign manifesting in a person, a community, and a way of living.


Why does this message hit harder in this era

A lot of people are stepping away from institutions right now, and it’s not just your imagination.

Pew’s latest Religious Landscape Study (2023–2024) reports:

Overall religious affiliation (U.S. adults)

Christian: ~62–64%

  • Down sharply from 78% (2007) and 71% (2014)
  • Stabilized since about 2019

Religiously unaffiliated (“nones”): ~28–30%

  • Includes atheists, agnostics, and “nothing in particular.”
  • Growth has leveled off after rapid increases in prior decades

Non‑Christian religions: ~6–7%

  • Includes Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
  • Gradual growth, primarily driven by immigration

Other / don’t know/refused: ~2–3%.


Christian subgroups

Protestantism (total ~40%)

  • Evangelical Protestant: ~23–25%
  • Mainline Protestant: ~14–16%
  • Historically Black Protestant: ~6–7%

Catholic: ~19–20%

  • Declined since 2007, but has been more stable recently
  • Strongly influenced by Hispanic/Latino affiliation and immigration

Mormon (LDS), Orthodox, and other Christian groups: ~2–3%.


Generational patterns

  • Older generations (Silent, Boomers) are overwhelmingly Christian.
  • Younger adults:
    • Less likely to identify as Christian
    • More likely to be religiously unaffiliated

Race, ethnicity, and immigration

  • Black Americans remain among the most religiously affiliated Christian groups.
  • Hispanic Americans are predominantly Christian, split mainly between Catholic and Protestant.
  • Immigration sustains both Christianity and non‑Christian religions, slowing overall decline.

Belief vs. affiliation gap

Even with stable affiliation:

  • Church attendance, prayer, and belief in God continue to decline
  • Many Americans identify as Christian culturally, not institutionally

Pew’s key conclusion

The long‑term decline in Christian affiliation has paused, but other measures of religiosity continue to fall.

Translation: the ground is shifting—and people are searching for what’s real.

And that’s precisely where a Kingdom conversation belongs.


What Jesus Preached vs What Religion Often Centers

Here’s the core tension most people feel but can’t name:

A lot of modern religion is built around membership, messaging, and maintenance.
But Jesus preached a Kingdom—God’s reign breaking into real human life. Encyclopedia Britannica

So when someone says, “I’m leaving the church,” what they may actually mean is:
“I’m done with a system that doesn’t look like Jesus.”

Let’s separate this cleanly—without insults, without propaganda, without shame.


1. Jesus preached the Kingdom of God as the central message

The Kingdom wasn’t a side topic for Jesus—it was central.
Not just “go to heaven when you die,” but God’s will being done—here, now, in people, in communities, and ultimately in the world.

Kingdom preaching sounds like:

  • God’s rule over your life (not just God as a concept)
  • truth that frees you
  • deliverance from bondage
  • healing and restoration
  • justice and mercy
  • An authority that serves

This is why “Kingdom” can’t be reduced to a building, a vibe, or a label.


2. Jesus called people to repentance as reorientation—not humiliation

Many people hear “repent” and picture public shaming.

But at its heart, repentance is a turning:

  • turning from illusion to truth
  • turning from self-rule to God-rule
  • turning from bondage to freedom
  • turning from performance to transformation

Repentance isn’t God saying “be perfect.”
It’s God saying, “Come home to alignment.”


3. Jesus prioritized inner transformation that produces real fruit

Religion can train people to look clean while staying unhealed.

But Jesus consistently confronted the idea that holiness is mainly external.
Kingdom transformation starts inside—then shows up as fruit:

  • integrity
  • humility
  • compassion
  • courage
  • self-control
  • clean boundaries
  • love with backbone
  • truth without cruelty

If the “spiritual” life never touches your character, relationships, or emotional maturity, something’s missing.


4. Jesus offered salvation as wholeness, not just a religious status

Many people were taught salvation as a label: “saved/not saved.”

But when Jesus saves, He restores:

  • identity
  • mind
  • body
  • purpose
  • dignity
  • direction

Kingdom salvation looks like deliverance from what owns you.
Not just forgiveness for what you did.


5. Jesus built disciples, not consumers.

Religion can unintentionally create consumers:

  • “feed me”
  • “inspire me”
  • “give me a word.”
  • “tell me what to do.”

But Jesus formed disciples—people who live differently because the King is leading them.

Discipleship means:

  • learning His way
  • practicing His way
  • becoming like Him
  • carrying His authority with humility

Not just attending. Becoming.


6) The Kingdom is present, and it’s also coming

This matters because people swing to extremes.

  • Some reduce the Kingdom to “only future.”
  • Others reduce it to “only inner spirituality.”

But Scripture holds a tension: the Kingdom is already present in Jesus’ ministry and among His people, and it is also moving toward fullness.

Even Luke 17:21 is debated in English translation (“within you” vs “among you / in your midst”). The NET Bible notes that “within you” can lead people to make it purely internal and emphasizes the sense of present reality in their midst. netbible.org

Grounded takeaway:
Kingdom is not just an internal mindset—
and it’s not just future politics—
It’s God’s reign made visible through the King and His rule at work.


7) Jesus-centered faith produces freedom with responsibility

The Kingdom doesn’t produce lawlessness.
It produces maturity.

Not fear-based compliance—Spirit-led integrity.

That’s why leaving a harmful system doesn’t have to mean leaving God.
Sometimes it means you’re finally choosing Him without distortion.


If you only read one section, read this:
Jesus didn’t come to recruit you into religious performance. He came to announce the Kingdom—God’s reign, bringing truth, healing, integrity, and freedom into real life.


Key Differences: Kingdom of God vs Religion

You can love God and still be exhausted by religion—because religion and the Kingdom don’t operate the same.

Religion is often a human structure built around belief, community, tradition, and leadership systems.
The Kingdom of God is God’s reign—His rule and will expressed in real life (spiritual realm and “on earth as it is in heaven”). Encyclopedia Britannica

This section is here to give you clean language—so you can discern without spiraling, and rebuild without self-betrayal.


Kingdom vs Religion: the most straightforward way to understand it

Think of it like this:

  • Religion = the container (can be healthy or harmful)
  • Kingdom = the government (God’s rule, God’s ways, God’s order)

Not every church is abusive. Not every religious practice is empty.
But every spiritual environment should be tested by the fruit of the Kingdom.


A Quick comparison table

CategoryReligion (when it’s unhealthy)Kingdom of God (when it’s real)
Core focusBelonging + complianceTransformation + alignment
IdentityUsed to heal, guide, and form“I am God’s—growing, becoming”
MotivationFear, guilt, imageLove, truth, integrity
AuthorityControl + hierarchyServanthood + accountability
Spiritual growthBehavior managementInner healing + fruit
CommunityConformity + silenceSafety + truth + support
Scripture useWeaponized to winUsed to heal, guide, and form
QuestionsPunished for rebellionWelcomed as pursuit
Boundaries“Submit no matter what”“Honor wisdom, protect the vulnerable”
OutcomesBurnout, shame, double lifeFreedom, maturity, wholeness

The 10 Differences That Matter Most (with examples)

1. Performance vs Presence

Religion: “Show up and look right.”
Kingdom: “Come close and be changed.”

Example: You can attend weekly and still be emotionally dying. Kingdom pulls your real life into the light.


2. Control vs Clean Authority

Religion: authority is maintained by intimidation, shame, silence, or spiritual threats.
Kingdom: authority is validated through humility, accountability, and protection of the vulnerable.

Litmus test: Does leadership fear questions… or fear harming people?


3. External conformity vs Internal transformation

Religion: “Stop doing the bad thing.”
Kingdom: “Let God heal the root.”

Example: A person can stop “sinning” publicly while still living in rage, secrecy, addiction, or self-hatred. Kingdom goes for the root.


4. Membership identity vs Kingdom identity

Religion: your identity is tied to the institution.
Kingdom: your identity is tied to God—before any title, platform, or role.

Result: When your identity is Kingdom-rooted, leaving a building doesn’t feel like losing God.


5. Shame-based correction vs Truth-based discipleship

Religion: correction humiliates.
Kingdom: discipleship restores.

Green flag: correction that is specific, compassionate, and accountable.
Red flag: correction that is vague, public, threatening, or controlling.


6. Charisma worship vs Fruit testing

Religion: “They’re anointed, so don’t question.”
Kingdom: “Test the fruit.”

Fruit looks like: integrity, humility, emotional maturity, clean boundaries, and repentance when wrong.


7. Scripture as a weapon vs Scripture as a lamp

Religion: Scripture is used to win arguments, control behavior, or silence pain.
Kingdom: Scripture is used to illuminate truth and form Christlike character.

Example: “Submit” without accountability becomes bondage. Kingdom submission never requires enabling abuse.


8. Crowds vs Care

Religion: big attendance, little shepherding.
Kingdom: consistent care, even if it’s small.

Translation: You don’t need a big church to live in the Kingdom. You need truth, love, and safety.


9. Sunday spirituality vs Whole-life government

Religion: “Be spiritual in the building.”
Kingdom: “Let God rule your money, relationships, body, habits, boundaries, work.”

These lines up with what you’re already building: whole-person development as Kingdom work.


10. Culture wars vs the way of Christ

Religion: uses Jesus to push an agenda.
Kingdom: forms people into love-with-backbone—truth, justice, compassion, integrity.

The Kingdom isn’t passive. But it also isn’t propaganda.


Red flags and green flags (discernment without paranoia)

Red flags (pause and assess)

  • Leaders can’t be questioned
  • The image is more protected than people
  • NDAs / silence culture around harm
  • Public shaming as “discipline.”
  • Boundaries are called “rebellion.”
  • Victims are blamed for “division”

Green flags (safe maturity)

  • Humility and accountability are normal
  • Truth is spoken with compassion
  • Boundaries are respected
  • Vulnerable people are protected
  • Leaders repent without PR spin
  • People can ask hard questions and still belong

If you’re trying to rebuild faith without returning to religious bondage:

Download Unchurched But Not Unchosen (free). It’s for the spiritually hungry who still love Christ—but need a safer path forward.

How to Live in the Kingdom Without Getting Lost

If you’re disentangling from religion, the goal isn’t to become cynical or isolated.
The goal is to become clear.

Kingdom living is not “doing more spiritual things.”
It’s letting God’s reign touch every part of your life—your inner world, your choices, your relationships, your boundaries, your habits, your money, your healing.

So let’s make it practical.


1. Daily Kingdom Practices (Simple, not performative)

A) The 5-Minute Kingdom Re-Alignment (morning or midday)

You can do this in your bed, your car, your kitchen—anywhere.

  1. Breathe (30 seconds): “I’m here. God, I’m listening.”
  2. Surrender (one sentence): “Your will, not my fear.”
  3. Truth check (one question): “What am I believing that isn’t true?”
  4. Assignment (one ask): “What’s my next right step today?”
  5. Cover (one declaration): “I’m led by Spirit, anchored in truth, protected in love.”

That’s Kingdom: alignment over performance.


B) Scripture as connection (not control)

You don’t need a 2-hour study plan to be faithful. You need contact.

Try:

  • One Psalm when you’re overwhelmed
  • One Gospel passage that you need to remember about Jesus
  • One Proverb when you need wisdom for decisions
  • One verse repeated until it becomes steady in you

If you’ve been wounded by weaponized Scripture, permit yourself to read slowly and safely.


C) Repentance as reorientation (weekly practice)

Once a week, ask:

  • “Where did I drift from love?”
  • “Where did I drift from truth?”
  • “Where did I drift from integrity?”
  • “What do I need to return to?”

Repentance isn’t humiliation.
It’s coming back into alignment.


D) Whole-person care as spiritual maturity

Kingdom living includes your body and nervous system.

Kingdom practices can look like:

  • therapy + prayer (together, not competing)
  • sleep as stewardship
  • movement as regulation
  • boundaries as wisdom
  • rest as obedience

If you only “spiritualize” your life but ignore your nervous system, you will burn out and call it faith.


E) clean Service (not transactional)

Service isn’t a way to earn worth.
It’s a response to love.

If you’re rebuilding, start with a small, clean service:

  • Check on one person
  • Volunteer once a month
  • mentor quietly
  • Give where it’s joyful, not coerced

Kingdom service multiplies life.
Religious service often drains it.


2. How to Find a Healthy Community (without repeating the same harm)

You don’t need to choose between isolation and institutional pressure.
There’s a third way: discerned community.

A) Start with a “small container” season

Before you commit to a big church environment again, try:

  • a home group
  • a small Bible study
  • a mature mentor
  • a circle of believers who value truth + emotional health

Healing often starts in a space where you can be known.


B) The “Fruit Test” questions (ask quietly, observe consistently)

Use these questions as discernment—not interrogation:

  • Do leaders have accountability or just authority?
  • Can people ask hard questions without being punished?
  • Are boundaries honored, or called rebellion?
  • Is there protection for the vulnerable?
  • Is truth practiced privately—not just preached publicly?
  • Does the community feel like care or like control?

If the answer keeps leaning toward control, that’s not your assignment.


C) Give yourself a 90-day discernment window

You don’t have to “join” quickly.

For 90 days, observe:

  • how conflict is handled
  • how mistakes are owned
  • how people are treated when inconvenient
  • how leaders respond when challenged
  • how safe do you feel being fully human

A healthy environment will become safer over time.
An unsafe one will start demanding silence.


3. “Do I have to go back to church?”

Some people will be led back into a healthy church.
Some will be led into smaller expressions of community for a season.
Some will build new spaces entirely.

The question isn’t “Do I go back?”
The question is:

“Where can I grow in truth, love, safety, and Spirit-led maturity?”

If returning to church would require you to shrink, perform, hide, or override your discernment… that’s not healing. That’s compliance.


4. If you’re afraid you’ll “lose God” without church

Let this settle you:

God is not a building.
God is not a membership status.
God is not withheld because you stepped back to heal.

If you want a simple anchor, practice this daily:

  • one honest prayer
  • one Scripture touchpoint
  • one act of integrity
  • one act of care
  • one boundary that protects your peace

That’s Kingdom.


Closing: Kingdom is the upgrade

If you’ve been in a losing season, you may not be losing faith.
You may be losing illusion.

And yes—that can feel like grief.
Because illusion often felt like belonging.

But what you’re walking toward is better:

  • clarity
  • maturity
  • wholeness
  • clean community
  • Spirit-led identity
  • a relationship with God that doesn’t require self-abandonment

You’re not “falling away.”
You’re coming back to what’s real.


If you’re rebuilding faith without pressure, start here.

Download Unchurched But Not Unchosen — a free, spirit-led guide for those who still love Christ but are healing from religious harm and learning to walk in Kingdom clarity.

Want to go deeper?

Out of the Church Box and 1:1 Spiritual Doula coaching are available when you’re ready for more profound healing, discernment, and next-step direction—without shame or performance.

Make sure you read all the parts  of this series

  • Understanding The Kingdom of God vs Religion: A Comprehensive Guide
  • Exploring The Kingdom of God and the Church: A Journey Within
  • Exploring the Mission of The Kingdom of God Within The Church
  • Exploring The Kingdom of God and the World: A Journey Towards Holistic Development

More Recommended Reading:

  • Why People Are Leaving the Church — And What God Wants Now
  • The Rise Of Sean Combs — What We Didn’t Understand While Living It

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2 thoughts on “Kingdom of God vs Religion: What’s the Difference (and Why It Matters for Your Life)”

  1. Michel Maling says:
    October 26, 2022 at 11:24 pm

    Really interesting read. I agree that religion was definitely created by man and it is clear that each religion has slightly different teachings so it can be very confusing, especially when one teaching is the opposite of another. I think more wars have been fought over time stemming from conflict in religion. People need to turn back to the Bible when in doubt and seek the truth within those pages rather than at church I think. 

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    1. Jamie London-Clay says:
      October 28, 2022 at 12:19 pm

      Hi Michel!

      I have to agree. It is important to know what that book says. It is one of the many tools to live effectively on Earth. The Bible has a greater weight than going to a church organization for sure. But there is a great unity when all God’s people come together too!

      Thanks for commenting!

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      Jamie

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